Weak wages. My biggest issue is the day the phone call came in, and the fact that the prosecutor deliberately misrepresented the facts. That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. We should be skeptical of those, like you, who suggest its obvious a jury got it wrong that you know better than 12 people presented with the evidence. Did he go on to have any other children is later relationship(s), do we know? Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions. Sir I would not kill somebody and I definitely wouldnt kill somebody I never met, Rorrer said. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Great catch. Why? Rorrer is as guilty as OJ Simpson. Nobody said bodies were intact. Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. Patricia, who moved from PA to North Carolina, made long distance calls from her home practically every day, except for the time period between December 11 and 16. neither her nor there couldnt be linked to her. For goodness sake, it was never proved at her trial she used the gun the police so steadfastly offered as evidence or for that matter, ANY OTHER GUN. After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? Patricia Rorrer was wrongfully convicted of Murder. Its a video on Utube Judges For Justice featuring her case. Had he for some reason been murderously angry with, or bitter towards, Mrs K, why kill his baby? Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? Nailed? Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. The attorney, Craig Neely, also argues he has the testimony of a. Ms. Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. Patricia seemed like the girl next door but all of a sudden, something snapped, Katrinak later told Wrong Man investigators. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Nope. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. A newspaper account described Patricia as a soft-spoken, demure woman who had a sweet Southern accent and wore feminine clothes in court. I saw lots of her defenders saying that he got the hairs from a hairbrush of hers that he had somehow saved, which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. It could be coincidence, but I really doubt it. Although the prosecution used it as evidence that she was trying to create a false alibi, it actually sounded more like Patricia was simply trying to nail down the facts he had already asserted to her. Unless theres a complicity between him and her, and the reason she didnt divulge it is because she hopes to put all the blame on him, when she was the one to murder and he was a planner. Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. Once, when a gun-wielding farmer and his buddy caught Patricia and Gary riding motorcycles on his field, Patricia walked up and got in their faces and argued, Gary recalled to the Morning Call. I wonder, did they ever perform a DNA test on the baby, to verify paternity? And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! They moved into her house in Salisbury County, staying together for about two years. Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. Rorrer killed two peoplea young mother and her small child and thru the justice system got what the bitch deserved! Its patently clear you are another of those who knows too little about this case. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! I hope she rots in hell. No charmed life. No explanation given. They are total bs. After a successful first season, Starz has announced that Wrong Man season 2 will premiere on Sunday, Feb. 9 at 9:45 p.m. Youre clutching at straws Im afraid. Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. But defense lawyer Robert Pfeiffer said that plenty of evidence supported Patricias innocence. The Facts Case Type: Crime No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. It is not necessary to the case against her that she owned the killing gun (and it would be foolish to have used it). and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. Finally, another irony you fail to appreciate: you claim theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? Clifford: I cant offer anything remotely novel or incisive. Stop defending her when she is guilty!!!!! DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. Mr Steve J Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. Having watched and read all that has been available, I feel very strongly, that a grave error has been perpetrated by the law authorities. One on one? If you want to help her tell her to ask God for forgiveness. Rorrer has appealed her conviction several times and her supporters believe additional DNA. You ought to acquaint yourself thoroughly with the case and not allow yourself to get any further elevated on your high horse. But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. Her mother was married to my uncle. That said, Im curious to know how you arrived at that decision about her guilt. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. I was able to email with Patricia via the PrisonConnect platform around Christmastime. I do not think Mr K is guilty. An infant was lying face down on her stomach. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. Puny policy. And because some of Patricias advocates have suggested Andrew Katrinak had a motive for murder, I checked into whether he had a life insurance payout to gain upon Joanns demise. And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! Ive heard she gets to go out to LUNCH and this broad is in prison for murdering her husband Russ Stager? The first rule of a murder is motive. Stable situation. Since then our team has proven that Patricia is innocent. Episode Info. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. Create a free website or blog at . The victims vanished on December 15. They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. Her non-serious but potentially fatal (proximity to artery) injury could have been a half-hearted suicide attempt if not intentional other-incriminating. so then using your contention, one who is deeply religious and sees God as being a factual figure is wrong? If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! Just consider all your nasty posts about others opinions and learn to attack the argument, not the arguer with insults. ALL IT THEN BECOMES IS A SOURCE OF INACCURACIES AND SPECULATION, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO BOLSTER THOSE WITH THAT MENTALITY AND PERPETUATE THE LACK OF TRUTH. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory.. Traupman died in 2016. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. Another point is the theory developed by the cops that the victim (Joann) was shot just one time and then bludgeoned to death. Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. There are judges, eminent lawyers and writers who are in support of her. Patricia Rorrer Self - Suspect (archive footage) Director Kimberley Ferdinando All cast & crew Production, box office & more at IMDbPro Storyline Edit Keith Morrison investigates the horrific 1994 murders of Joann Katrinak and her infant son, Alex, as well as the ongoing claims that Patricia Rorrer was wrongfully convicted of the murders. Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. This information was never revealed to Rorrers defence. All this appears to leave a strong whiff of corruption emanating from the investigation authorities and DAs office. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. Your email address will not be published. Her diary certainly indicates some disturbed thinking. Exactly Patricias professional life included short-lived gigs as a Century 21 real estate agent and an Oldsmobile salesperson. What definition? Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. (A good point. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? Dance defense. WoW! The phone wire was located at the opposite end of the basement, which was dark. The person who killed Joann is currently serving a life sentence because 10 months after Joann and Alex died, he killed another woman (who bore a striking resemblance to Joann) and her baby. For more on the Katrinak murder case, you can watch Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction for free on YouTube. On December 14, 2020, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court denied Ms. Rorrer's petition for allowance of appeal, concluding her state appellate proceedings. 5 years prior to all this happening! If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. How do you explain her not telling the truth to the authorities about the gun and its flaw of only able to shoot once and then jamming up. Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. It was winter which are cold in PA and would slow down decomposition and minimize insect activity although you are correct about the rodentswhy were there none? PATRICIA RORRER, : : Petitioner : v. : CIVIL ACTION NUMBER 19-01398 : WENDY K. NICHOLAS, : : Respondents : MOTION FOR DISCOVERY AND CONSOLIDATED MEMORANDUM OF LAW . His father confirmed his alibi that they were doing construction work together, putting an addition on the house of friends Tom and Kathy Holschwander, at the time of Joanns disappearance. Everyone lies. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. SHAME ON THEM. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. Why not question some of this evidence? As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. I deduced my opinion to be fact because of what Ive read and seen and is supported by evidence which was never disclosed at her trial. Andrew had an ex-girlfriend, Patricia Rorrer, who'd been familiar with the trail, and she'd previously managed a horse stable just a mile from the scene. In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? Proven in court and sentence awarded!!! After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. Did you personally attend the trial? Media galore. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. Her mother, Patricia Chambers, provided day care for their baby son, Charles. BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? That documentary points out that, despite the bodies of the two victims supposedly being exposed for several months, their condition remained relatively undisturbed by weather or animal activity. Ive scanned through of all my remarks on this site and nowhere have a seen a single remark that confirms your assertion that Ive been insulting. Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! The real killer is Rorrer! Let me ask youWhy do most of those who post adverse and hateful comments feel the need to? Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. WOW JUST WOW PEOPLE ARE SO BLIND BY ALL THIS. No activity on her bank account or credit cards took place after the day she went missing, so investigators dismissed the theory that she took her child and bolted. They would have no reason to protect Andrew and lie on her. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. She asked to speak with Andrew, who was home during the call; Joann refused. Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. Some lawyers call microscopic hair analysis junk science that today wouldnt qualify as evidence in a trial like Rorrers. At 6 a.m. on June 24, 1997, police arrested Patricia at her modest house in Linwood, North Carolina, and took her back to Pennsylvania. Creating your profile on CaseMine allows you to build your network with fellow lawyers and prospective clients. She should have received the death penalty imo. This time, not surprisingly, the FBI did achieve a match. Rorrer and Katrinak broke up in 1989 five years before the murders and Andy married Joann in May, 1993 after dating for approximately one year. If you can tear yourself away from your obsessive mentality, you can see what virtually amounts to the tampering to which I referred. Patricia Rorrer was tried and convicted of two counts of first-degree murder and two counts of kidnapping in March 1998, in Lehigh County Court of Common Pleas, for the murder of Joanne Katrinak and her infant son. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. Phone records dont lie.) Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. I believe the answer to your question is in my comment above. Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. When Andy Katrinak comes home to find his wife and infant son gone, he summons the police and tells them he believes they have been abducted, and he suspects his ex-girlfriend Patty Rorrer might be involved. Lehigh Cty.) How do you explain the authorities finding .22mm shell casings at her home during the search warrant. Please read her story. It seems so, according to you. There is a term in law called balance of probabilities, which basically means that guilt is assigned when there is a preponderance of evidence that would lead a rational person to conclude that the person did it. Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. The fact that her jeans were unbuttoned and unzipped. The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. Patricia Rorrer will burn in hell, as she should. Counsel for Patricia Rorrer, 52, argued in Lehigh County Court that investigators mishandled DNA evidence, WFMZ-TV 69 reports. Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. I dont see any defining comment or wording that justifies that claim. Am I missing something? True, Andrew would have no way to acquire and plant Patricias blond hair there because it wasnt that color when she knew him. Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. So lets get going on the recap of the Forensic Files episode A Woman Scorned, along with extra information drawn from internet research: Joann Marie OConnor was born on Oct. 11, 1968, the youngest of Sarah and David OConnors four children. you dont want to fall off and hurt your oversized ego. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. They released a poster of Joann and Alex, noting that the baby had almond-shaped blue eyes, weighed 18 pounds, and was circumcised. Two problems, then: a failure to see your own position as you see others (failure to comprehend irony), and failure to understand the difference between fact and opinion. Plus, he had only a minimal life insurance policy on Joann and he passed polygraphs, according to The FBI Files: Family Secrets. Despite the fact it has never been proved thats exactly how it happened, it seems to be accepted as fact it could just as possibly have been the other way round, beaten and then shot. It then makes light of the fact that the car in which the (incriminating) hairs were found was absent of any blood. If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. According to court papers from Patricia 2017 appeal, DNA on the cigarette butt found near the two bodies belonged to Appellant. (Prosecutor Michael McIntyre, however, told ForensicFilesNow.com that that the cigarette butt was never actually tested). She killed a mother and child and now has all of you eating out of the palm of her hand about how mistreated she has been. The fact that previous boyfriends noted her obsession with Andrew is very, very telling. These are brutal, aggressive crimes in their own right, but that. Conflicting versions. Then you claim this is an opinion. Walmart woe. Hoist by your own petard. What evidence is there she actually left the state? And she will have to answer eventually. Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. You are absolutely right. Joanns gun and beating wounds were obvious, but the baby died a less violent (but just as horrible) death with no clear signs. Another inaccuracy in this is, they state the jury took SIX HOURS to return a verdict, when in fact it took less than TWO HOURS. Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. . You, however seem to have no problem with these hurtful and damaging comments aimed at Rorrer. Police theorize she owned the gun, but its neither here nor there whether she used a particular gun to kill and would make sense (to a wise perp) that the gun couldnt be linked to her by past activity. Look into it. If the answer is no, enough said! She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. I guess the investigators in Pennsylvania managed a quick resolve to a huge case that had a nations eyes scrutinizing their every move! Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th. You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. Dial-a-problem. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. She didnt need to have owned all the guns she ever used, nor to have owned the gun she in fact used. Meticulous primping. She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. Sorry, I must have missed your name on the witness list. It would appear you are reading all sorts of interpretations into my comments especially that I have a fragile ego, dented by others whove responded to me! The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. Stevie J Further to my previous comment, I should add the following. Ex-boyfriend Walter Blalock said that Patricia wanted him to be more like Andrew. Police say Rorrer put a .22-caliber bullet in the mother's head, strangled the baby and placed him . I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. I believe in Patricias innocence and she deserves to be freed, at last! She hasnt, she didnt get a hard enough sentence. You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. To be sure, an appellant does not have to *prove* (convince) of innocence to have been wrongfully convicted (even if they are in fact guilty but I digress). Charged with two counts of capital murder and two counts of kidnapping, Patricia Rorrer was quickly tried, convicted, and sentenced to life in prison without parole. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial.

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