They perform only a little better than the .338 Win. in the .338-378. 0000007944 00000 n To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. for the .338-378 Weatherby. Hmmmm, Nosler bullets and Nosler winner.just saying. The .33 will be introduced with a long-range load that contains the Nosler 265-grain AccuBond LR bullet pushed 2,775 fps, but that load was unavailable at press time. 0000002395 00000 n Also considering 300 PRC. It features a 30mm main tube and 6x optical zoom. X)@CL ]6(uO(`ppikpp``P0,ckci|!CCF['K The CDS (Custom Dial System) can be custom tailored at no cost to correspond with the precise ballistics of a given load to compensate for bullet drop. However, in the real world there is no such thing as a free lunch. If you can source enough brass for the Dakota before you build it great of not I'd look at the Edge really hard! 0000025931 00000 n That is 49% more powder to get 10% more muzzle velocity (MV). The Weatherby Mark V is the only production rifle which chambers the .338-378 Weatherby Magnum. This was done primarily to correspond with the bullet ogive profile, obtain proper neck length and keep the overall cartridge length within 3.340 inches. For example, in 1958 Winchester announced the .338 Winchester Magnum (for the Model 70 rifle), which was the .300 H&H Magnum case shortened, blown out with a 25-degree shoulder and necked to accept .338-inch bullets. 33 Nosler 3 Products 33 Winchester 2 Products 33 XC 3 Products 340 Gibbs 1 Products . 225 gr. If a person cannot tolerate a particular cartridges un-braked recoil, they need a different cartridge which they can manage without subterfuge. h'@ } endstream endobj 70 0 obj <>>> endobj 71 0 obj <>/ExtGState<>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text]/Shading<>>>/Rotate 0/Thumb 60 0 R/TrimBox[0.0 0.0 432.0 648.0]/Type/Page>> endobj 72 0 obj <> endobj 73 0 obj <> endobj 74 0 obj <>stream 215; maximum overall cartridge length: 3.320"; bullets: 225 grain Nosler Partition Spitzer or AccuBond.Use Maximum Loads with Caution: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. The successive increases in power are in the order I listed the cartridges above, except that the .340 Weatherby and .338 Remington Ultra Mag (RUM) are ballistic (but not interchangeable) twins. The cases 0000003755 00000 n -EInR'/:PH,UtC Its past that where it becomes significant. eO_wk^./Jbkb9/LEx.v4;VjUkSM~TOeIV3 It appears that .340 Weatherby and .338 Lapua factory cartridges start at about $4.50 each, while .338-378 Weatherby ammo runs about $7 per cartridge and .330 Dakota cartridges cost about $10 each. These close to one-ton beasts are often shot at ranges beyond those recommended for other dangerous game animals due to the open terrain common to coastal Alaska and Kodiak Island. Products Explore Load Data Dealer Locator Sign In 0 Home 330 Dakota Load Data - (Archived) 330 Dakota Load Data 180 Grain 200 - 210 Grain 225 Grain 250 Grain PRIVACY USE ORDER PROCESSING SERVICE & RETURNS Copyright 2023 NOSLER INC. I have considerable respect for the capabilities of this caliber. Who knew wild turkey's were so stupid!? Why 33 Nosler vs . It also prevents cross-caliber chambering. Mikey Hartman, Lt. Col. And although its got a nice long neck that benefits concentricity, its got a short head height, making it less-compatible with ultra-modern long-range projectiles. Specialized long-range bullets were not used as they are unnecessary for most hunting situations. Mag) hits the expansion limit at almost 600 yards! In many ways, it does what the .300 PRC does, and does it even better. Ut SM%>IH;q2X$? :\(L~` N (.338-378 Weatherby). H\j0E However, Im constrained to confess the fact that I have absolutely no use for bullets lighter than 180 grains in any 30-caliber magnum. 0000016016 00000 n A maximum charge of 79.7 grains of the same powder gives a MV of 2900 fps and a ME of 4201 ft. lbs. The .330 Dakota uses .338 diameter bullets and is based off the .404 Jeffery design. E1?ty XxAXV,n?VXd;=d;= VVNtFmyJjFX90]_I{=sxXmR:@Ou,B"Q1lVR$O8 Q%J5Lv:>_;?f/Y#pKk/^&q"LJD5j@ QI(kWv,d y" 0000057837 00000 n Answer: As the article said, I chose the heaviest Nosler AccuBond bullet available in factory ammunition. AccuBond (.550 BC/.281 SD) at 3025 fps. Feeding, firing and case extraction were flawless. (.340 Weatherby and .338 RUM), 2902 ft. lbs. Copyright 2015 by Gary Zinn and/or chuckhawks.com. 0000001656 00000 n Mag. 57 0 obj <> endobj xref 57 68 0000000016 00000 n Other notable features include a two-position safety, hinged floorplate, one-piece firing pin and an adjustable Rifle Basix trigger. Great article. Like the .338 Lapua, it is a great candidate for the 300-grain long-range bullets now on the market. It is a push-feed system with a countersunk bolt face, rotating extractor and plunger ejector. *Casing image above is an artist rendering and not a real photo of .330 Dakota Ballistics cartridge. Mag. It hits the shooter the least, has proven itself in both Alaska and Africa for decades, and ammunition is available most places. Lets start with the most common of them all: the .300 Winchester Magnum. is: Using a lot more powder to get a little more velocity has a further cost in recoil and muzzle blast. and that is a place I do not wish to visit often. The reloader using 30 caliber 0000045215 00000 n In fact, because its got a shorter throat that engages light-ish, short-shanked projectiles faster, the 30 Nosler actually may provide more consistent accuracy with popular deer-weight bullets. Still the most popular .338 magnum in the world, the .338 Win. These rounds do have one mission they are ideal for, though: Alaskan brown bears. Answer: Recoil is a consideration with any cartridge. $60.99. and this pattern of incremental velocity increases continues with each cartridge in the sequence. These cartridges are also best when paired with the heaviest bullet weights. Mag. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Before there were scopes or red dots there were iron sights. The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers to this website may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. 0000004240 00000 n In 1962 Roy Weatherby announced the .340 Weatherby Magnum for his Mark V rifle that was based on the full-length .300 H&H Magnum case blown out with a double-radius shoulder and necked to accept .338-inch bullets. AccuBond at 3060 fps. 0000086915 00000 n As to the muzzle break comment, I have yet to see a rifle around here with a muzzle break. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Dividing the numbers just listed for each other cartridge into that for the .338 Win. I watched through a binocular as the guides first shot struck in shallow water behind him, while his second shot caught the moose too far back and had little effect. Using 185, 200, 225, and 250 grain bullet weights for reference, the 330 Dakota will drive these bullets 50-100 f.p.s. To be fair, the .300 WSM does offer one advantage over the new PRC kid on the block: If you want a very short, light .30-caliber magnum rifle, this is your best bet. Combining 7mm Remington Magnum trajectories with 375 H&H impact energies, the 330 Dakota is more than capable for any big game hunting task on the North American continent and many on the plains of Africa. I was using the 250 Nosler Partition back then. Dakota is said to produce 10% more energy than the .338 Magnum. The heaviest bullet available would give each cartridge its best chance since such bullets offer the highest BC's and SD's and would thus make the comparison as fair as possible. I am not a fan of these cartridges, because they provide a poor benefit to cost ratio. (.330 Dakota), 35.4 f.p.s. We would have preferred a larger scope on this rifle, but we were unable to do that because of the rear sight. Buying a rifle chambered for any of the other four super magnums is going to put a real strain on the debit card. of recoil, a 55% difference. The latter two have become popular and have proven extremely effective for large game such as moose, Alaskan brown bears, etc. 0000048455 00000 n ELR guys like to shoot, so poor barrel life is a significant problem. (Ret.) Nosler's case will maintain that 250-275 fps gain over the Winchester case, in spite of sharing the same length. The guide thanked me for doing the spotting, then stated, And that is why we use .338s in Alaska. Long Range Hunting & Shooting 330 dakota 22250imp Aug 22, 2019 Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum Become a supporting member 2 22250imp Well-Known Member Joined Sep 26, 2012 Messages 194 Location Eastern Colorado Aug 22, 2019 #1 Picked up a newbie here a while back chambered in 330 Dakota. They have the powder capacity to launch them at impressive velocities and thus use those bullets high BC and SD advantages. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. The author analyzed six .338 caliber magnum cartridges (.338 Winchester Magnum, .340 Weatherby, .338-378 Weatherby, .338 Remington Ultra Mag., 33 Nosler, and .338 Lapua) for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. 0000003017 00000 n The .338 Win. The Model 48 Patriot rifle used to evaluate the new .33 Nosler cartridge features twin locking lugs, a smooth 90-degree bolt lift, fluted bolt body and swept bolt handle for easy cycling. (.330 Dakota), 2883 ft. lbs. Barrel life is short, and being aggressively overbore, the RUM can be finicky about accuracy. 0000026014 00000 n 0000004205 00000 n Turning to retained energy at or near to MPBR, I used the ballistics calculator at www.hornady.com to calculate energy at the 25 yard increment closest to the MPBR of each cartridge and load. Often three shots would cluster in a single ragged hole that was easily under .5 inch, but twice the fourth round opened the group to around .75 inch, which was shooter error. They are also expensive to buy and shoot. It is purely a big-game hunting cartridge that utilizes .338-inch bullets. Mag, the softest here, slaps the shooter as hard as a .375 H&H Magnum, while the .338-378 and .338 Lapua are close to .416 Rigby territory. Both BC and sectional density (SD) are noted for each bullet tested. The sharp, 35-degree shoulder and fat case offer a lot of room for propellant, and the maximum cartridge overall length (COL) of 3.34 inches means it will fit in a standard .30-06-length action. They work on grizzlies at close range but can reach out to put down a wounded moose at long range.. This combination is the goal Winchesters designers had in mind when they introduced the first production .338 magnum in 1958. Mag. Now this one is interesting. The Dakotas must be built in an action having a bolt face large enough to accommodate the larger 404 Jeffrey rim width of .545". Hj$7)t9sJgA0DYadca@^?Ij4=K0JU{%>IEIxd(ItyEXpP(gEpx>~?S^~ vxYXb jf?k$vC LRH Supporter. Despite their Thors Hammer performance, .338 magnums are not as popular as their .30 caliber cousins for one big reason: recoil. 0000008150 00000 n Mag., .338 RUM, .338 Lapua Mag. For long range . Imagine a bullet arcing through a six-inch diameter pipe for a certain distance. Mags. for a 185 grain bullet in the .338 Win. and this pattern of incremental velocity increases continues with each cartridge in the sequence. Their superior sectional densities combined with high velocity and bullet weight anchor these killer bears like few other cartridges. by chambering it in true magnum-length actions that allow handloaders to seat long bullets at optimum lengths. (These figures, and all that follow, are NOT corrected to account for the different barrel lengths. This isn't your grandpa's muzzleloading system. Mag., while a charge of 107.9 grains of Viht N-165 is needed to drive the same bullet at 3300 f.p.s. Mag. Mag. 0000003955 00000 n The trend has been that the more potent versions are those gaining in popularity. Thank you, sir! Although, even the least powerful here (.338 Win. Factory ammunition is also harder to find than regular commercial market brands. In a rather crowded field of excellent .338 magnum rifle cartridges, the .33 Nosler is outstanding. Mag. They deliver sufficient energy well beyond the range where the bullet decelerates to 1800 fps. The main factor is to know the maximum and minimum anticipated impact velocities and the intended game, then select a bullet that is reliable under those conditions. The trajectory of the 250 grain A-Frame bullet at a MV of 2900 fps should look like this: +2.6" at 100 yards, +2.9" at 150 yards, +2.0" at 200 yards, -0.4" at 250 yards, and -4.3" at 300 yards. of MV per grain of powder burned. Therefore, a cartridge with less recoil than another, but with similar terminal performance, is better for the simple fact a missed shot, no matter how powerful, is useless. yields the results that the .338 Win. His third shot struck in the vitals, and within a few feet the moose stumbled and went down for good. A Nosler Model 48 Patriot with a Leupold VX-6 2-12x 42mm scope was used to test the new .33 Nosler cartridge. and .338-378 Wby. based on the .30-06 case necked to accept .333-caliber Jeffery bullets weighing up to 300 grains. Conversely, the .338 super magnums are far from perfect. 0000079201 00000 n Joined Jan 17, 2021 Messages 1,667 Location North Carolina. 0000011233 00000 n Also, ammo gets more expensive. The biggest difference is that you can build the Nosler rounds on any action with a normal magnum bolt face for .532" rim cartridges. .330 Dakota factory loads are currently offered with 230 grain CT Fail Safe and 250 grain Swift A-Frame bullets. .330 Dakota (Using 200/210 GR Nosler Bullets) 12. Copyright 2004, 2013 by Chuck Hawks. For the next 20 rounds, it was cleaned after every five shots. In a 9.5 pound (field weight) .338 Win. Mag. They also deliver terminal performance that is not much different than the .375 H&H Magnum, while offering a flatter trajectory and are generally chambered in lighter, handier rifles. 0000049012 00000 n Picked up a newbie here a while back chambered in 330 Dakota. The more powder burned equals more recoil and muzzle blast principle applies to all the super magnums, of course. This put some cartridges at a disadvantage since only factory advertised velocities were used. The .338 Winchester Magnum became the iconic elk, brown bear, and moose cartridge, and it spawned competitors as the market demanded ever-faster velocities. All things considered, the .300 PRC is a much more polite, civilized cartridge that is durned near as capable and offers far greater efficiency. Mag. Just wondering if any body out there has experience with these big heavy bullets on deer size game. 0000030811 00000 n Playing with some different bullets and tried some Barnes 265 TTSX and WOW! A .375 Ruger necked down to .30 caliber, and specd with a very long throat so long, sleek bullets dont have to be seated with their bases deeply protruding into powder capacity, the .300 PRC requires a long, true-magnum-length magazine box of 3.70 inches. (L-R) .308 Win., .340 Weatherby, 9x19mm Luger. While 225-grain projectiles have become the more popular in recent years, the 250- and 300-grain bullets are ideal for large animals such as elk, moose, and the big bearsif one can tolerate the recoil. 0000050694 00000 n Keith wanted something which would hammer through a quartering-away elk (his favorite game) out to 300 or 400 yards and realized a .338 caliber bullet driven fast enough would get the job done. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. That's 275 fps faster than the 338 Win Mag using the same length action and 25 fps faster than the 338 Lapua at the muzzle while burning 18% less powder. However, like the .300 Win. 0000009815 00000 n It must be chambered in rifles with a magnum length action which means few rifle makers other than Remington offer a model for it. The PowerRank is an estimation of the cartridge power. We installed a Leupold 2.5 8 X scope in Leupold rings and Dakota bases. and large game (1500 ft-lbs), and the minimum velocity most hunting bullets require for reliable expansion (1800 fps). In contrast, the .300 PRC is engineered with the latest cutting-edge cartridge design principles, and features a 1.12-inch head height, enabling the use of very long, low-drag projectiles without intruding inside the case. (Youll find this is a common thread throughout most of the following comparisons.). 0000003310 00000 n In 2016 the .30 Nosler was announced, and the latest cartridge to join the Nosler line is the .33 Nosler. Either way, and for all loads in between, that is a lot of wallop! Finished rifles will be around 0.75 inch shorter in the action, and barrels can be a short 22 inches and still provide full propellant burn. Joseph Von Benedikt visits with Aaron Oelger from Hodgdon about the unprecedented demand on the shooting supply industry. hb``` X80200pxP='$"bLq?O\ The 33 shares the same parent case (404 Jeffery) as the rest of the family but fires .338 caliber bullets for the toughest of big game. Water capacity (filled level with the case mouth) is 94.6 grains, while the case weight is 281.8 grains with a primer installed. lbs., while the 200 grain load in a 9.5 pound .338-378 rifle would generate 48.0 ft. lbs. 0000085453 00000 n The 250 grain bullet has a rather optimistic advertised muzzle velocity (MV) of 2900 fps and muzzle energy (ME) of 4668 ft. lbs. A 24-1/2 inch barrel was used for the .338 Lapua and a 28 inch barrel (!) It shoots 180 to 250 grain bullets far, hard and relatively efficiently; it does so without obscene levels of recoil, muzzle blast and expense. 0000005294 00000 n As yet, no one offers a 250 grain AccuBond in factory ammo for the 33 Nosler, and it would have scored closer to the .338 RUM with a 250. 0000011385 00000 n Explore this site to compare these rounds . By the time the guide sat down and got into position with his rather rusty and heavily worn Ruger M77RS .338 Winchester Magnum rifle, the 1,700-pound bull had crossed the river and was beyond 500 yards, with its long legs rapidly increasing that distance. They provide more performance than most hunters will ever need. All rights reserved. Forty eight foot pounds of recoil exceeds the kick of a 12-gauge, three inch magnum shotgun (about 45 ft. 0000009539 00000 n Effective range in this test is the minimum impact energy recommended for a humane kill on medium game (1200 ft-lbs.) 33 Nosler 250gr Partition Trophy Grade Ammunition, 33 Nosler 300gr Custom Competition Match Grade Ammunition, 33 Nosler 225gr AccuBond Trophy Grade Ammunition, 33 Nosler 265gr AccuBond Trophy Grade Long Range Ammunition. The Model 48 and .33 Nosler proved an accurate combination, with several three-shot groups hovering under .5-inch. 0000004151 00000 n Just dont expect those slugs to hold up if they hit a bull elks shoulder at fifty yards. W. wasskeet Well-Known Member. .33 Winchester $ 5.50 ea. The percentage advantages of these over the .338 Win. The .334 O.K.H. The 33 Nosler is capable of propelling a 225gr AccuBond at 3025 fps and the brand new 265gr AccuBond Long Range at 2775 fps. thanks . Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. Its twin bias erector system is constructed of shock resistant beryllium copper. Mag. 0000081710 00000 n Lots of recoil and muzzle blast. Respective similarities between the .333 O.K.H. Hey guys, new to this forum. 0000016651 00000 n 0000002281 00000 n Mag. Expanded Nosler AccuBond recovered from test media. Franchi Momentum Elite Bolt-Action Rifle in Varmint Configurations, Ruger MAX-9 9mm Micro-Sized High-Capacity Pistol: Review, .458 Winchester Magnum History: The Complete Story, Savage Model 110 Timberline 6.5 Creedmoor Rifle: Full Review, A World Record Attempt: Practice Round and Media Day. are trademarked by private individuals or corporations, and the cartridges are harder to find on the Interview with Israeli Defense Forces, Part 1. DTubb is correct. Across the bullet weights used, here are the average recoil values for each cartridge in 9.5 pound rifles: Then, there is the monetary cost of buying and shooting any of these rifles. Both loads shoot sub-minute of angle. Mag. .338 diameter bullets are unique. (.338-378). All calculations were based on the heaviest Nosler AccuBond bullet available in factory-loaded ammunition for each caliber, unless otherwise noted. px}P~fUC3zM)bg&J3{5)(24`N[j3irWY\VLSlSkek2>K,B5MUZsH)YqLOO,)=@h(MAGP:d h, GO.= @9hj$T#@@"a#$6PCP&,29pKRB7~7kb9oyxfKeE a endstream endobj 75 0 obj [106 0 R] endobj 76 0 obj <> endobj 77 0 obj <> endobj 78 0 obj [/ICCBased 98 0 R] endobj 79 0 obj <> endobj 80 0 obj <> endobj 81 0 obj <> endobj 82 0 obj <>stream Already have 300WM and 338WM. First, it tends to be finicky to feed, because short fat cartridges must tilt up from the magazine and transition into the chamber at much more abrupt angles than longer cartridges. Starting with MPBR, across the four bullet weights the .338 WM gets an average MPBR (+/- 3 inches from line of sight) of 284 yards. Joseph Von Benedikt shows his custom 500 and how well it shoots. The rifle weighed 7 pounds without a scope. It too was designed to function in .30-06 length (3.340-inch) actions. Hornady reports good results with RL-19 powder behind their 225 grain bullet and RL-22 powder with their 250 grain bullets. Custom Mossberg 500 at the Range and Live Turkey!? .338 magnums need controlled expansion bullets like this Nosler Partition for large, tough game at ranges less than 500 yards.

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